2/11/2010 11:55 AM
Jerry wrote:
This is an issue that will continue to be a part of American politics. Racism is used to divided this nation and our policy viewpoints. I am a Conservative Republican because I have seen time and time again the failed policies of the Dem. Party.
The fact of the matter is that racism exists in both parties, either you learn how to deal with these individuals or allow them to affect your ability to properly judge a person, NOT by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
At the rate of are going the race relations in America will diminish.
Enough is enough, lets get to the truth of the matter about the issues that are harming our community. Poor schools, crime, the failing black family.
To my conservative colleagues don't fall into this trap because it will do nothing to advance the civil society.
If someone is offended so much and wants to drive home this viewpoint that America is a racist nation, then I say that those individuals should leave America.
For the racist, since they hate blacks and immigrants so much, they should leave America as well. It is that simple.
Either you love this nation or you despise and hate this nation. There is no middle ground here. Reply to this
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2/11/2010 3:47 PM
Maximus wrote:
Van, once again, I understand your frustration, but you still haven't answered my question from the previous blog when I said and asked that the Republican party is like being in an abusive relationship where the loyal wife (YOU) keeps making excuses to defend why her misguided husband (Repubs) keeps on slapping/beating her and saying that "even though he beats me, I know there's still some good left in him". WHY Van, POURQUOI Van....do you try sooooo hard to stay positive about this party when they can't seem to vanquish the subtle bigotry that's still embedded in their souls? I'll tell you this....its not that you yourself aren't passionate about your country and where its going, it just seems that with this 2 party system, you all think you HAVE no choice but to conform to the mold that is provided for you which includes seeing the other party(s) as your worst nightmares. That mentality is what the true governing powers want to happen to this country so drama can persist. This "yin-yang" mentality of trying to overpower the other will not work at all. As intelligent as you seem to be, I personally think its a shame that you can't see this stupid conflict for what it is....a stupid cruel joke/hoax.
Now, as for you Jerry....with you saying "If someone is offended so much and wants to drive home this viewpoint that America is a racist nation, then I say that those individuals should leave America.
For the racist, since they hate blacks and immigrants so much, they should leave America as well. It is that simple.".....its really NOT that simple....for it really was THAT SIMPLE as you say.....only Native Americans would have the right to be on this land. Either way you cut it, this country is a beautiful country with a dark-not-so-noble past and present. If it wasn't for the blood of Indians, the sweat of blacks and Asians....this country would not exist as we know it; and with idiotic racists like the ones depicted in this blog topic up top....this Party you all are backing up will always be hypocritical to you because they can't ever wash that blood from their hands even if they try.
By the way, I'm new to this blog, so I'll introduce myself before someone AGAIN makes the mistake of labeling me.....my name is Maximus....I stand for no party....my allegiance is to Jesus Christ first, to humanity second, please don't call me a Republican or a Democrat, a conservative, or liberal, or any combination of those "Matrix" mind-controlling organizations, thank you Reply to this
I respect your viewpoint and the fact that you are not a member of either political party. This is America and you are exercising your right. However, I do disagree with you concerning my comments about the racists and blacks viewing America as a racist nation.
If the only thing black people want to do is talk about it and complain or have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson go on the attack against white people, well I ask you what will that solve?
Furthermore, since it is NOT that simple then what do you suggest? I support solutions, not excuses. The problem that I find with this topic is that people appear afraid to address this issue head and take a position that will TRULY send a loud and clear message to solve the problem.
Instead of focusing on one racist and allowing this person to influence our political views, what is your answer.
There is no gray area, call it what it is and take a position to solve the problem.
Black America has enough problems to address. Black folks wanna celebrate the election of the first black President, however what has this black President done to advance/improve black America.
From what I have seen, so far, we have lost funding to vital educational programs under President Obama: DC School Vouchers and HBCU funding cuts. Reply to this
This week there was a report released which indicated that the state of Pennsylvania was the most deadly state for Black people per their homicide rate per capita.
Did you hear about this factoid on any of the Black blogs who are pissed off about Tom Tancredo's comments?
It is bad enough that the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist RACISM CHASERS are going to hijack the list of priorities for the Black community to focus upon - what can we expect that is different from you?
They have a symbiotic relationship with the White bigots - of which Tancredo may or may not be a part of.
The key point is that neither Tancredo or the Tea Party movement register as a key threat to Black people that justify them having the POWER to shift our collective focus away from the unfinished business WITHIN our communities that is suffering from benign neglect.
Vanessa - if you sign up for the official apologist for the Republican Party or Tea Party to "Democrats who are Black" - I ASSURE YOU that this will be a full time job. This is what they want you to do.
The greatest gift that you could offer to the Black community as a self-proclaimed "Black conservative" is to FORCE those of us who are "Black Ideological Bigots", sold out to the Democratic Party and seeking its advantage at every corner to FORCE them to accept their incumbent position over the key institutions over our community and that you DEMAND that they focus upon delivering upon the promises that they made to our people if we display loyalty to this method for the receipt of our permanent interests, PUTTING THEM ON TRIAL to produce an explanation for the present conditions.
Don't you see that THEY ARE NEVER going to be "not" OFFENDED by something that some political adversary has to say?
YOu need to redirect them upon what they NEED TO BE "offended by". These are the issues WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY that they have vacated while RACISM CHASING. Reply to this
2/14/2010 10:56 AM
Vanessa wrote:
The disillusionment I've been feeling stems from the fact that Black Conservatives are silent about "race" because they're afraid to rock the boat with White Conservatives.
Why can't we acknowledge it? Maybe it's naive of me to believe that, maybe, if Black Conservatives acknowledged some of the terrible things on our side, we wouldn't lose so much credibility with other Blacks who are reticent to join our side.
Tom Tancredo, and the "Tea Party Nation" (hopefully) are not a microcosm of the entire conservative movement. Therefore, it is of benefit to White Conservatives who aren't so provincial in their outlooks to call things like this out and publicly dissociate themselves from such ignorance and bigotry.
It is bad enough that the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive
Fundamentalist RACISM CHASERS are going to hijack the list of
priorities for the Black community to focus upon - what can we expect
that is different from you?
You can expect that I can acknowledge when something is ignorant and move on with my life and focus on the real issues that plague the Black Community.
You are the only person that has made me reconsider my subsequent approaches to ignorance that will inevitably stem from this side. And yes, I don't have the time or the energy, nor do I want to become a full-time "republican apologist" for Black Democrats.
2/19/2010 11:25 AM
democratsarefascists wrote:
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2/23/2010 9:53 AMMTdakota wrote:
I was there and it was not my impression of the speech that ANYTHING he said was about black people. Now that I have read your blog, I can ABSOLUTELY see how his comments could be taken that way, though. As for what his intentions were in his mind, who know that about anyone? It is good that you are bringing this up because you can help the conservative cause to be sensitive about such issues. However, there is the possibility that no matter what conservatives say, the meaning will be twisted into a racist or xenophobic sentiment by the left regardless. We cannot be held prisoners by political correctness. I'm afraid that you are buying into the PC crap just as much the next person. He did not say that we need to go back to a time when blacks were denied their right to vote. You are taking it this way which is within reason only if you have a predisposition to think this. Yes (considering that you are watching a video of the event which for you the first viewing was set up by Rachel Maddow who no doubt had some comments to add), but it is NOT the way that the crowd was understanding his meaning. Take issue with him, if you want, but I was in the crowd and I resent the accusation that I want Jim Crow Laws to be returned. I want voters to know about America - that we are a democratic republic -- that we are not a socialist state -- we are not meant to go to the voting booth in order to vote ourselves as many benefits as possible. Are you going to join the P.C. Police as well? Reply to this
2/23/2010 10:02 AM
Vanessa wrote:
I am not interested in joining the "PC" police. Like I wrote, Black people, and Conservatives have way more pressing issues that need our attention. Remember, I'm not the enemy. I'm the one trying to get Black people to balance the way they vote. I'm trying to get black people to consider supporting people who don't have a "D" after their names.
Comments like Tancredo's don't help me help the movement.
I don't claim to know what's in Tancredo's heart. That's for God to judge. His comments were distasteful. I respect his right, as an American citizen to make insensitive, ignorant comments.
2/23/2010 10:35 AMMTdakota wrote:
It is hard to properly portray tone-of-voice via a keyboard. I am enjoying reading your blog and I do not think you're the enemy at all. I am and was completey convinced that Tancredo's comments were about illegal immigration and/or overwhelming immigration (via amnesty) from any ONE foreign country. Maybe you know more about his history and his rhetoric that I do. I didn't know of him before that night. There were other speaker that night at the Tea Party Convention. My personal favorite was Bishop Harry Jackson. I wrote about his speech in my (modest, tiny, little) blog: http://the-promise-of-america.blogspot.com/2010/02/national-tea-party-convention-part-3.html
Tea Partiers would love to have more minorities in the movement. If you feel that they are put off by comments such as Tancredo's than it is good that you bring it up. But if people then say that "it wasn't meant that way," I think that we should consider that possibility, too. Reply to this
2/23/2010 10:50 AM
Vanessa wrote:
Tancredo wasn't talking about illegal immigrants. He was talking about legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants don't have the power to put a "committed socialist ideologue" in the White House. They can't vote.
While I understand your not wanting to be associated with a movement that can be ill-perceived as racist and/or insensitive to racial dynamics-it's important that we can dialogue about said issue.
Even if we agree to disagree on this one--I appreciate your openness and willingness to defend your belief's. That's the beautiful thing about living in America.
Vanessa, better known as the “Afroconservative” has been working in the inner city as a School Counselor for several years. She is president of the Frederick Douglass Foundation of NJ and is an
unabashed advocate for entrepreneurship, fiscal conservatism, enterprise zones, educational choice, free trade, Civil Rights for the unborn, and policies that help lift people out of poverty as
opposed to perpetuating pernicious cycles of government dependence. Vanessa has a Master’s Degree in Clinical Counseling and an Undergraduate degree in Psychology. She is currently working on a
second Master’s degree in Political Economy. Vanessa can be reached at Vanessa@afroconservative.com!
This is an issue that will continue to be a part of American politics. Racism is used to divided this nation and our policy viewpoints. I am a Conservative Republican because I have seen time and time again the failed policies of the Dem. Party.
The fact of the matter is that racism exists in both parties, either you learn how to deal with these individuals or allow them to affect your ability to properly judge a person, NOT by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
At the rate of are going the race relations in America will diminish.
Enough is enough, lets get to the truth of the matter about the issues that are harming our community. Poor schools, crime, the failing black family.
To my conservative colleagues don't fall into this trap because it will do nothing to advance the civil society.
If someone is offended so much and wants to drive home this viewpoint that America is a racist nation, then I say that those individuals should leave America.
For the racist, since they hate blacks and immigrants so much, they should leave America as well. It is that simple.
Either you love this nation or you despise and hate this nation. There is no middle ground here.
Reply to this
Off topic, but of interest....http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/the-solid-principles-report-february-11th-2010/
The Solid Principles Report: February 11th, 2010
We speak with SDNN Political Columnist Colleen O’Connor about the allegations Steve Poizner has made against Meg Whitman and the Californian Gubernatorial Race. Hear an extract of our upcoming interview with John Dennis, currently challenging Nancy Pelosi in the 8th Congressional District seat. We also speak with John Cronin about the upcoming Obamacare Forum with Republican Leaders, Afro-Conservative, Robert Gibbs, and the Minnesota Bush ‘Miss Me Yet’ billboard.
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Van, once again, I understand your frustration, but you still haven't answered my question from the previous blog when I said and asked that the Republican party is like being in an abusive relationship where the loyal wife (YOU) keeps making excuses to defend why her misguided husband (Repubs) keeps on slapping/beating her and saying that "even though he beats me, I know there's still some good left in him". WHY Van, POURQUOI Van....do you try sooooo hard to stay positive about this party when they can't seem to vanquish the subtle bigotry that's still embedded in their souls? I'll tell you this....its not that you yourself aren't passionate about your country and where its going, it just seems that with this 2 party system, you all think you HAVE no choice but to conform to the mold that is provided for you which includes seeing the other party(s) as your worst nightmares. That mentality is what the true governing powers want to happen to this country so drama can persist. This "yin-yang" mentality of trying to overpower the other will not work at all. As intelligent as you seem to be, I personally think its a shame that you can't see this stupid conflict for what it is....a stupid cruel joke/hoax.
Now, as for you Jerry....with you saying "If someone is offended so much and wants to drive home this viewpoint that America is a racist nation, then I say that those individuals should leave America.
For the racist, since they hate blacks and immigrants so much, they should leave America as well. It is that simple.".....its really NOT that simple....for it really was THAT SIMPLE as you say.....only Native Americans would have the right to be on this land. Either way you cut it, this country is a beautiful country with a dark-not-so-noble past and present. If it wasn't for the blood of Indians, the sweat of blacks and Asians....this country would not exist as we know it; and with idiotic racists like the ones depicted in this blog topic up top....this Party you all are backing up will always be hypocritical to you because they can't ever wash that blood from their hands even if they try.
By the way, I'm new to this blog, so I'll introduce myself before someone AGAIN makes the mistake of labeling me.....my name is Maximus....I stand for no party....my allegiance is to Jesus Christ first, to humanity second, please don't call me a Republican or a Democrat, a conservative, or liberal, or any combination of those "Matrix" mind-controlling organizations, thank you
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To Maximus
I respect your viewpoint and the fact that you are not a member of either political party. This is America and you are exercising your right. However, I do disagree with you concerning my comments about the racists and blacks viewing America as a racist nation.
If the only thing black people want to do is talk about it and complain or have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson go on the attack against white people, well I ask you what will that solve?
Furthermore, since it is NOT that simple then what do you suggest? I support solutions, not excuses. The problem that I find with this topic is that people appear afraid to address this issue head and take a position that will TRULY send a loud and clear message to solve the problem.
Instead of focusing on one racist and allowing this person to influence our political views, what is your answer.
There is no gray area, call it what it is and take a position to solve the problem.
Black America has enough problems to address. Black folks wanna celebrate the election of the first black President, however what has this black President done to advance/improve black America.
From what I have seen, so far, we have lost funding to vital educational programs under President Obama: DC School Vouchers and HBCU funding cuts.
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Vanessa:
This week there was a report released which indicated that the state of Pennsylvania was the most deadly state for Black people per their homicide rate per capita.
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/02/modeling-our-real-world-report-black.html
Did you hear about this factoid on any of the Black blogs who are pissed off about Tom Tancredo's comments?
It is bad enough that the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist RACISM CHASERS are going to hijack the list of priorities for the Black community to focus upon - what can we expect that is different from you?
They have a symbiotic relationship with the White bigots - of which Tancredo may or may not be a part of.
The key point is that neither Tancredo or the Tea Party movement register as a key threat to Black people that justify them having the POWER to shift our collective focus away from the unfinished business WITHIN our communities that is suffering from benign neglect.
Vanessa - if you sign up for the official apologist for the Republican Party or Tea Party to "Democrats who are Black" - I ASSURE YOU that this will be a full time job. This is what they want you to do.
The greatest gift that you could offer to the Black community as a self-proclaimed "Black conservative" is to FORCE those of us who are "Black Ideological Bigots", sold out to the Democratic Party and seeking its advantage at every corner to FORCE them to accept their incumbent position over the key institutions over our community and that you DEMAND that they focus upon delivering upon the promises that they made to our people if we display loyalty to this method for the receipt of our permanent interests, PUTTING THEM ON TRIAL to produce an explanation for the present conditions.
Don't you see that THEY ARE NEVER going to be "not" OFFENDED by something that some political adversary has to say?
YOu need to redirect them upon what they NEED TO BE "offended by". These are the issues WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY that they have vacated while RACISM CHASING.
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The disillusionment I've been feeling stems from the fact that Black Conservatives are silent about "race" because they're afraid to rock the boat with White Conservatives.
Why can't we acknowledge it? Maybe it's naive of me to believe that, maybe, if Black Conservatives acknowledged some of the terrible things on our side, we wouldn't lose so much credibility with other Blacks who are reticent to join our side.
Tom Tancredo, and the "Tea Party Nation" (hopefully) are not a microcosm of the entire conservative movement. Therefore, it is of benefit to White Conservatives who aren't so provincial in their outlooks to call things like this out and publicly dissociate themselves from such ignorance and bigotry.
It is bad enough that the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist RACISM CHASERS are going to hijack the list of priorities for the Black community to focus upon - what can we expect that is different from you?
You can expect that I can acknowledge when something is ignorant and move on with my life and focus on the real issues that plague the Black Community.
You are the only person that has made me reconsider my subsequent approaches to ignorance that will inevitably stem from this side. And yes, I don't have the time or the energy, nor do I want to become a full-time "republican apologist" for Black Democrats.
We do have bigger fish to fry.
Thanks for your input.
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I hope everyone on the Right is aware that Democratic Underground, DailyKos, Media Matters and The Huffington Post have employees and members in unofficial groups who show up at rallies to discredit the Tea Party movement and Republicans.
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I was there and it was not my impression of the speech that ANYTHING he said was about black people. Now that I have read your blog, I can ABSOLUTELY see how his comments could be taken that way, though. As for what his intentions were in his mind, who know that about anyone? It is good that you are bringing this up because you can help the conservative cause to be sensitive about such issues. However, there is the possibility that no matter what conservatives say, the meaning will be twisted into a racist or xenophobic sentiment by the left regardless. We cannot be held prisoners by political correctness. I'm afraid that you are buying into the PC crap just as much the next person. He did not say that we need to go back to a time when blacks were denied their right to vote. You are taking it this way which is within reason only if you have a predisposition to think this. Yes (considering that you are watching a video of the event which for you the first viewing was set up by Rachel Maddow who no doubt had some comments to add), but it is NOT the way that the crowd was understanding his meaning. Take issue with him, if you want, but I was in the crowd and I resent the accusation that I want Jim Crow Laws to be returned. I want voters to know about America - that we are a democratic republic -- that we are not a socialist state -- we are not meant to go to the voting booth in order to vote ourselves as many benefits as possible.
Are you going to join the P.C. Police as well?
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I am not interested in joining the "PC" police. Like I wrote, Black people, and Conservatives have way more pressing issues that need our attention. Remember, I'm not the enemy. I'm the one trying to get Black people to balance the way they vote. I'm trying to get black people to consider supporting people who don't have a "D" after their names.
Comments like Tancredo's don't help me help the movement.
I don't claim to know what's in Tancredo's heart. That's for God to judge. His comments were distasteful. I respect his right, as an American citizen to make insensitive, ignorant comments.
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It is hard to properly portray tone-of-voice via a keyboard. I am enjoying reading your blog and I do not think you're the enemy at all.
I am and was completey convinced that Tancredo's comments were about illegal immigration and/or overwhelming immigration (via amnesty) from any ONE foreign country. Maybe you know more about his history and his rhetoric that I do. I didn't know of him before that night. There were other speaker that night at the Tea Party Convention. My personal favorite was Bishop Harry Jackson. I wrote about his speech in my (modest, tiny, little) blog: http://the-promise-of-america.blogspot.com/2010/02/national-tea-party-convention-part-3.html
Tea Partiers would love to have more minorities in the movement. If you feel that they are put off by comments such as Tancredo's than it is good that you bring it up. But if people then say that "it wasn't meant that way," I think that we should consider that possibility, too.
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Tancredo wasn't talking about illegal immigrants. He was talking about legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants don't have the power to put a "committed socialist ideologue" in the White House. They can't vote.
While I understand your not wanting to be associated with a movement that can be ill-perceived as racist and/or insensitive to racial dynamics-it's important that we can dialogue about said issue.
Even if we agree to disagree on this one--I appreciate your openness and willingness to defend your belief's. That's the beautiful thing about living in America.
God bless you.
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